Who Said That?

"For Christians concerned about Glenn [Beck]'s faith, I would ask the following questions: What fruit do you see produced by Glenn? . . . Good or bad?  If you judged Glenn only by the fruits he has produced, would you still hold concerns over his faith?  Christians concerned about Glenn's faith should judge the tree by its fruits, not its labels . . .  After all, Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton openly call themselves Christians... Although these individuals have the right labels, they have the wrong fruits."

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Update on Friday, August 27, 2010 at 11:49AM by Kim Riddlebarger

This is from Barton's facebook page (as cited in a recent CNN story--http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/27/some-evangelicals-on-defensive-over-partnering-with-glenn-beck-a-mormon/). 

Apparently, Beck's political views constitute the appropriate "fruit of the Spirit," despite the fact that Beck is a member of a heretical sect, the LDS.

Confusion of the two kingdoms at its finest!

Comments

[Aaron]

@"lee n. field" Wow. You know they like to use the word "savior" a lot. They just don't know what they need to be saved from, and what is required of the personal identity of the savior, that he be the triune God as well as man.

[pb]

Excellent new post on the White Horse Inn blog about this issue, with a link to various articles.

["lee n. field"]

>@"lee n. field" Wow. You know they like to use the word "savior" a lot.

The LDS will use or abuse the term however they want.

Of greater concern is how unnamed "persons extremely well known in Christianity" can say what that news item reported them saying.

[Zrim]

Jesse, I agree that the morality of the issue is clear. What I’m not so sure about is that faith makes it clear, since those without faith can (and do) come to the same moral conclusion as those with faith and some with faith might not. If both un/believers have access to general revelation, and I believe they do, saving faith doesn’t seem to be a factor at all. The politics of the issue is a separate, though not unrelated, question. When you say that there is “a political view that all Christians should agree on at a basic level,” I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean we all should think states should have their rights returned to them on this matter, or that we should all agree that it should be federally outlawed? For my part, I can live with fellow believers disagreeing with me that it’s a states’ rights issue before a fetus (or female) rights issue—I don’t have any need to tell other believers that they should, by virtue of our shared faith, hold my political view.

Re your question, I think true faith is measured by what one does in his/her own body (and mind), not by where s/he works, how s/he votes, or makes legislation or for whom s/he raises money. A simple way of putting it in the context of this conversation is that it is one thing how Christian Jane votes or where she works, quite another what she does with her pregnancy or does “with her own hands” in relation to another’s pregnancy. Yes, faith is quite relevant to the moral question and has clear implications for one’s personal behavior.

[GPLeague]

The dude from wall builders. Forget his name, but read this in part before. Oh, and yea, this is scary indeed.

[Ryan Thompson]

Jerry Falwell, Jr.

[Douglas Gregory]

Professions are fruit too. Titus 1:1 says that it is knowledge of the truth and faith that leads to godliness. Glenn Beck is certainly not in posession of the truth, ergo he is not producing fruit. What about an atheist, or a buddhist or any other pagan, who is nice to everyone, never having even so much as a disagreement with their boss? Maybe they even fight for things we like to fight for, such as fighting abortion and promoting freedom and the limitation of government, like Christopher Hitchens, or the self immolating monks in Vietnam, who protested invasion and war. What about Penn and Teller, who are ravenous atheists, who adequately deny the evils of PETA, and promote the freedom of ideas, shunning 'political correctness'. All of these things are things which reformers love, but not one of those people are saved.

A false profession with good works means no more than no profession with good works.

Glenn Beck denies scripture, the trinity, and the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ. How can he be considered a Christian?