Who Said That?

"Not every intimate intercourse with the unconverted world is deemed lawful, by Calvinism, for it placed a barrier against the too unhallowed influence of this world by putting a distinct 'veto' upon three things, card playing, theatres, and dancing..."

Leave your guess in the comments section below.  Answer will be posted next week.  No google searches or cheating.

Update on Thursday, October 30, 2008 at 03:30PM by Kim Riddlebarger

Many of you guessed this one.  It was indeed from Abraham Kuyper's Lectures on Calvinism, Eerdmans, 1931), p. 73, (the second lecture,  "Calvinism and Religion").

Comments

["lee n. field"]

" 'veto' upon three things, card playing, theatres, and dancing...""

Father Abraham (Kuyper), I think, in Lectures on Calvinism.

[Rev. Z. Bartels]

I dunno. But having done a decade in Grand Rapids, I must say that it's very astute.

[steve]

Except Rook - we could play Rook - it was the "Christian Card Game." I'm not sure who said this - probably my Grandma.

[Steven Carr]

It is most definitely and assuredly a quote from the Stone Lectures of Abraham Kuyper. Do get any free candy for guessing correctly???

[Zrim]

Re. Bartels, I’ll see your 10 years in GRR and raise you a few more. The legalistic influences of pietism on father Abe and his descendants sure show themselves in this quote. Why, just the other night it was suggested in a sermon that we ought to lament that we “didn’t take over Hollywood for righteousness’ sake.” One’s man’s transformationalism is another’s soft legalism.

[Mike Ratliff]

So...isn't this more of description of Puritanism?

[Dustn Caldwell]

Coming originally from a Baptist background, this sounds very Baptist and very English Puritan to me, so I'm going with John Gill.

[A.B.]

Abraham Kuyper from the Stone Lectures.

[Coyle]

Clearly dancing is one of the worst sins possible, as we all know from "Footloose." I wonder why alcohol didn't make the list too?

["lee n. field"]

"alcohol "

Because he was European, and they strike me as saner on that subject.

[Bill Weber]

I was going to guess someone in the twentieth century CRC, but it appears Kuyper is correct, which only goes to show another deleterious effect of Kuyper on the CRC!

[Zrim]

Lee,

Sanity would be a nice way to explain being able to circumvent that legalism, but I think it owes more to certain European mores clashing with impinging modern American ones than clear thinking. If clear thinking were at play then it makes little sense as to how these got in under the wire. And I won't say anything about the educational legalism that still abides those with smoke and drink yet in hand.

[Timinator]

Abraham Kuyper Lectures on Calvinism

[Rev. Z. Bartels]

Dustin,
I'm a Baptist, and I have to say: there's a <i>reason</i> we don't allow dancing. Have you ever seen a Baptist try to dance??? It makes the convulsing hordes at the Republican convention look like Usher.

[Jerry Morgan]

Since it's Calvinism I'm guessing we're talking about an old school Presbyterian. My Presbyterian grandfather told me it was money, women and food, but maybe he was just ad-libbing...

[D]

Hoeksema?