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Monday
Mar202006

Who Said That?

question mark.jpgWho Said That?

One of the derivative aspects of an amillennial perspective is that it denies Israel's future role in God's plans.  This also leads to a "replacement theology" in which the Church is viewed as replacing Israel in God's program for mankind.  In addition to forcing an allegorization of many key passages of Scripture, this also led to the tragedy of the Holocaust in Europe.  The responsibility for the six million Jews who were systematically murdered in the concentration camps has to include the silent pulpits who had embraced this heretical eschatology and its attendant anti-Semitism.

Reader Comments (18)

Has to be Jack Van Impe...
March 21, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterBrad Lindvall
I'm gonna go with Hal Lindsey.

Tim
March 21, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterTim Berglund
I'm going to guess Dr. Mal Couch, ardent dispensationalist & head of Tyndale Seminary in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. He's said many things along these lines, including things like "Amillenialism leads to atheism".
March 21, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterMr. Eko
Sounds like Dave Hunt to me.
March 21, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterTony B.
The first one I thought of was Hal Lindsey, but I agree with Mr. Eko. I must be Dr. Mal Couch.
March 21, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterMike Ratliff
Make that two for Hal "Late Great" Lindsey.
March 21, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterRoss Rutherford
My top three choices: Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, John Hagee
Runners-up: Anyone from Dallas Theological or Masters Seminary could have said it.
One thing is sure. It has been repeated in hundreds, maybe thousands of Bible Churches across America, by Powerpoint no doubt.
March 21, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterSteve Dumas
Who is Dr. Couch? I would've voted for Impe or "Hell" Lindsey or Hunt, but the language sounds a bit too sophisticated for them.
March 21, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterRichard
Must. Not. Google.

Dunno, but it could be just about anyone who teaches DPism. The code words "replacement theology" and "allegorical interpretation" are there. Does this source also talk about departing from DPism as being part of the Great End Times Apostacy?

"One thing is sure. It has been repeated in hundreds, maybe thousands of Bible Churches across America, by Powerpoint no doubt."

I've seen it.

There are hermeneutical issues here, that I wish (and am working to achieve) I had better grounding to deal with.
March 22, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterchuck bridgeland
How about Chuck Missler?
March 22, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterMike Ratliff
OK, I couldn't wait. I "googled" and got the answer. And no, I'm not one of those kids who opened gifts under the tree before Christmas morning.

I think I'm happy I was clueless as to the answer. These radical dispy guys are scary- particularly with the large audiences they muster.
March 22, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterPaul B
Well you know if the pyramids were built by aliens and point directly to a pre-trib rapture...

Both stated by the same person who is the authour of the above quote.
March 22, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterR.K. Brumbelow
Richard,
Dr Mal Couch is president of Tyndale Seminary in Ft Worth where they had to split off from DTS because it was becoming to liberal with the adoption of revised dispensationalism. He teaches with Kerby Anderson and Arnold Fruchtenbaum. They are to Classical Dispensationalism what Ergun Caner is to Anabatpistry. Take that how you will :)

PS Sorry for the double post.
March 22, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterR.K. Brumbelow
Pope Chuck?
March 22, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterAnthony
Thanks, R.K.! Excuse my ignorance, but this is what happens when you live in Germany. I did have a bit of nostalgia when I tuned my short wave radio on Saturday to Jack van Impe. And Rexella is still around. What a blessing.
March 23, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterRichard
My guess is Hagee.

I just received his new book "Jerusalem Countdown" as a family gift. It has an hilarious section on the Anti-Semitism of Martin Luther. Hagee implies that God struck Luther dead for his hatred of Jews. It seems like many of these guys really do know the secret counsels of God.
March 23, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterChase Vaughn
Antisemitism is a charge I see a lot from this quarter. For a current example, see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1601059/posts .

March 23, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterchuck bridgeland
CHUCK MISSLER - COPYIST !

Many these days are abandoning the pretribulation rapture view, and the June, 1995 article by Chuck Missler (”Byzantine Text Discovery: Ephraem the Syrian”) reveals why there is such a mutiny! First of all, the authoritative scholar that Missler cited, Dr. Paul Alexander, referred only to “Pseudo-Ephraem” and not to Ephraem the Syrian. (If an unsigned ancient manuscript resembles the real Ephraem but there is a question of authorship, they assign it to “Pseudo-Ephraem” - the word “pseudo” meaning “possibly.” For some groundless reason, Grant Jeffrey, the one who reportedly found the “discovery,” changed Dr. Alexander’s terminology! For more info on Jeffrey, Google “Wily Jeffrey.”) And Missler’s scholarship is also questionable. According to the Los Angeles Times (July 30, 1992), about one-fourth of Missler’s 1992 book “The Magog Factor” (which he co-authored with Hal Lindsey) was a daring plagiarism of Dr. Edwin Yamauchi’s 1982 book “Foes from the Northern Frontier”! Four months later Yamauchi’s publisher revealed that both Lindsey and Missler had promised to stop all publishing of their book. But in 1995 they were found publishing “The Magog Invasion” (which was either a revision or a replacement of “The Magog Factor”) - which had a substantial amount of the same plagiarism! (Dave MacPherson’s 1998 book “The Three R’s” has complete documentation on this and other pretrib scandals.) After listing “1820″ as the reported date of the birth of pretrib (he should have said “1830″), Missler sees a pretrib rapture in that Medieval writer’s phrase “taken to the Lord” and, since he evidently favors rewriting others instead of researching, is unaware that Dr. Alexander explained that this phrase really means “participate at least in some measure in beatitude” - which has reference only to doing acts of virtue on earth and not being raptured away from earth! Alexander added that the same ancient writer held to only one final second coming (and not to any prior coming) which would follow the time of Antichrist! (Readers can Google “Deceiving and Being Deceived” by MacPherson to see how groundless the Pseudo-Ephraem claim is and to learn how desperate pretribs are to find any pre-1830 evidence for their escapist view. Dr. Robert Gundry of Westmont College has also demolished the Pseudo-Ephraem claim in his 1997 book “First the Antichrist.”) Since Missler also leans on Thomas Ice, readers can evaluate Ice’s qualifications by Googling “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Thomas Ice (Hired Gun),” and “Pretrib Rapture Diehards” (the latter part). For further light on the 179-year-old, fringe-British-invented pretribulation theory, Google or Yahoo “Pretrib Rapture - Hidden Facts.” Finally - why would anyone who has the brains of a rocket scientist want to be taken up with the concept of an any-moment pretrib rapture? The answer may well be that there’s more money in elevating a rapture than launching a rocket!
January 31, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJon

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