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Who Said That?

"One of the lessons I learned from the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is that our first ancestors chose to be human rather than to live forever.  They chose a sense of morality, a `knowledge of good and evil,' rather than immortality.  They spurned the Tree of Life, which would have given them eternal life, in favor of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which gave them a conscience.  As compensation, God gave humans, who now shared with Him the ability to know good from evil, the gift of His own divine power to create new life.  We cheat death, not by living forever, but by bearing, raising, and educating children to keep our souls, our values, and even our names alive.  One generation, scarred and often embittered by experience, gives way to another, born in innocence and hope.  Like the good shepherd He is, God shows His love for us by enabling us to create new life."

Leave your guess in the comments section below.  Please no google searches or cheating.  The whole point is to guess, not look up the answer!

Reader Comments (26)

Hey, it sounds like my Old Testament Literature professor at U Arizona, J Ulriech. But as I didn't think he was a terribly original man, I suspect it's from somewhere else.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterC T Hall
I don't have a clue but do I sense Mormonism?
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterhb
Benny Hinn??
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAnthony U
I can't say because I suggested this one to KR, but here's a hint - think outside the box.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterPB
the late Arthur C. Clarke.

Yeah, I know it's wrong, but this recasting of the Fall is the kind of thing you'd encounter in some SF stories.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered Commenter"lee n. field"
Peter Jones (the boyhood friend of John Lennon whose lives took radically divergent courses), in his book Spirit Wars, talks about the gnostics and radical feminists who want to rewrite and reinterpret the first three chapters of Genesis. Considering we are supposed to "think outside the box" picking someone from those groups would be too obvious. Maybe its another politician appealing to the new spirituality types for votes- I doubt that too though.

I have heard that sentence- "We cheat death, not by living forever, but by bearing, raising, and educating children to keep our souls, our values and even our names alive"- many times. I heard Larry David once say on the show Curb Your Enthusiasm that having too many kids was narcissistic- who would want to keep your name alive was the underlying sarcasm. I guess there is some truth to that due to our radical fall from grace.

I will hold my guess to later in the week after I hear some more clues from others guesses. Maybe somebody actually knows who it is like the two who knew last week.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Yeazel
It just came to me in an intuitive flash- BONO. I can't help myself- and I just scolded the good reverend to put a stop to it last week.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Yeazel
I'm gonna say Brian McClaren or Doug Pageant or some other emerger type
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDavid Dittmer
I'm guessing Obama
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSteve Moulson
Sounds like a Martin Buber type philosopher. Certainly a humanist viewpoint. Pure nonsense.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterCheryl
"Like the good shepherd He is, God shows His love for us by enabling us to create new life."

Obviously this person is not Bill Cosby...

"After creating heaven and earth, God created Adam and Eve. And the first thing God said to them was: "Don't" "Don't what?" Adam asked.
"Don't eat the forbidden fruit," said God.

"Forbidden fruit? Really? Where is it?" Adam and Eve asked jumping up and down excitedly." "It's over there," said God, wondering why he hadn't stopped after making the elephants.

A few minutes later God saw the kids having an apple break and he was very angry. "Didn't I tell you not to eat that fruit?" The First Parent asked.
"Uh huh," Adam replied.
"Then why did you do it?" God asked exasperatedly.
"I dunno, " Adam answered.

God's punishment was that Adam and Eve should have children of their own.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterChris Sherman
Rob Bell?
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermatt holst
After re-reading this a few times I am not so sure he/she is taking an unorthodox view of the fall of man. It is pure conjecture in trying to get into the heads of Adam and Eve and figuring out the reasons why they chose to eat the fruit but the person is not necessarily saying anything unorthodox are they? The fall made us all narcissists and we want to shove our values, etc. on our kids for purely selfish reasons instead of God's Word and values.

The person implies the historicity of Adam and Eve by stating that they are our first ancestors (although he/she calls it a story which may imply fiction). The former is an orthodox concept. We also do get "scarred and embittered by our experience" of life. Children are innocent and hopeful before they too get scarred and embittered by life experiences.

Knowing the trickiness of some of these quotes it might be from someone within the Reformed or Lutheran ranks but I may be way off.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Yeazel
However, God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply before the fall of man (Gen. 1:26). So, there is no sense of compensation and "the gift of His own divine power to create new life" in the story as it is told in Genesis. I also get leery of anyone who wants to extrapolate "lessons" instead of doctrine from the stories in the scriptures. This is a tough one.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Yeazel
I'd like to say someone Wiccan, but I can't name one off the top of my head. It does sound sort-of naturalistic... Maybe Rhonda Byrne in "The Secret"?
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterCoyle
I also wonder about "Like the good shepherd He is, GOD SHOWS HIS LOVE FOR US by enabling us to create new life." (and not "Christ died for us while we were yet sinners") and "...we cheat death..." and "...born in innocence and hope..." and "enabling us to create [not procreate] new life".

No idea, but the author/speaker certainly has an interesting choice of words.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGreg
i don't know probably a catholic though
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMerritt
Wild guess, but as I read it, for some reason I could hear Bill Clinton's voice, and that distinct Arkansas drawl saying this...
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterCharles S
Thomas Jefferson
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRandy
This sounds like a reformed Jewish view of Genesis. I am going to guess Rabbi Harold Kushner.
October 6, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterreg

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