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Dec022008

Cool! An Amillennial Eschatology Chart!

Scott Clark recently posted this.  This chart illustrates the concurrent events associated with the Second Advent of Christ.

Apparently, Dr. VanDrunen drew this in class, and Brian Lund (a student) did the rest.

How can we ever hope to convince dispensationalists if we don't have our own chart?

Well, now we've got one!

 

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Even if I could read the print I think that would be confusing! j/k
Reminds me of a tape of a lecture on this subject, in which the speaker kept turning to his chalk board to explain the charts / lines posted there - every time he did he'd turn away from the microphone and his voice would disappear on the recording, just as he got to the really important points! In fact I think it was an Alliance offering a few years ago...
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterPB
How can I get a full size one to actually read?
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJustin
And, it has shadows behind the "typed" circles. Leave it to Christocentric eschatology to get it right. (I think Dispy charts have types and shadows, like, at the end of their flow charts, don't they, you know, for when sacrifices are re-instituted?)
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterZrim
Amillennialists should have Mac's ... I just pressed control and scrolled in to get a readable image ... of course that only helped me read it ... not to understand it. But that's not the point is it? Just having a chart gives credibility. Understanding it adds only a small amount to that. Great job!
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRick
I too would like a full-sized one.
Doc?
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRev. Z. Bartels
Here is the link - download the graphic and size it as needed:

http://www.box.net/shared/rnulnhmz6o
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDerek
I saw it when Scott Clark linked to in on his blog.

Still can't make head-ner-tails of it, honestly. OK, the events are concurrent, but what are the arrows doing?

As far as making a big one, this should blow up nicely.
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered Commenter"lee n. field"
The arrows show links, so the resurrection of the unjust is linked to the resurrection of the just, and also the judgement of the unjust.
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSi Hollett
The arrows show how the various Scripture passages eventually connect all these "end-times" events as happening at one-time - at the second coming of Christ.

I was in Dr. Vandrunen's class and my drawing wasn't nearly as nice as what Mr. Lund produced.
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMark VPol
"eventually connect all these "end-times" events as happening at one-time"

ahhhhhh. OK.

This is one I'll keep around then.
December 2, 2008 | Unregistered Commenter"lee n. field"
So the resurrection of the dead, the judgment of all mankind, and the renewal of the entire cosmos will all occur at a point in time? The time of Jesus' return?? On the day of the Lord???

Really? Just as Kim repeatedly says in "A Case for Amillennialism??" Could it be so simple and straightforward???

To me, this sounds so...

...BIBLICAL!!!

As in: this is what Scripture affirms again and again and again, passage after passage. I guess Jesus' return really will make a difference after all! As in: that's when this present, temporal and evil age will finally give way to the future, eternal and perfect age to come.

Good ridance to Larkin and those confusing and convoluted D charts and timelines! The real "timeline" is not a line, but a dot: the day Jesus comes again.
December 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterWayne Rohde
Charts can be good but they conjure up too many Tim Lahye?Hagee flashbacks-we should avoid them
December 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMike
Re: charts...

Avoid them?

No, we should beat them (i.e., we should beat the dispys at their game).

Good charts can be an asset to learning. Cf., e.g., the various charts, illustrations, etc. in the ESV Study Bible.

(But please NO gaudy, stomach-churning "art" as in so many dispy books!)
December 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterWayne Rohde
This mac user would love to have a png of this rather than the jpg.

Am I asking too much?
December 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJon
Jon if the Mac user doesn't have the software to convert from jpg to png what does this say about said Mac user's operating system let alone his graphic utilities.
December 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterP.D. Nelson
Needs to be separated into an entity-relationship diagram and a timing diagram.

And, with a few tweaks you could correct it for the postmil view.
December 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterTom Albrecht
PD - I could convert it to png, but its already in a degraded state.

http://lbrandy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/jpg_vs_png2.png
December 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJon
This is not nearly as confusing as such a complicated issue would seem to demand. This clearly cannot be right! Very disturbing.
December 4, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRick
Jon - great job ... i hope others take advantage your work.
December 4, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRick
I'm probably showing my dispy/fundy past, but here's a chart I drew... a little bit is speculation - I was trying to square the Amill position with the events in Rev. 19, 20.

http://img.skitch.com/20091001-gxn8mja8n43k2rfbaqh4gk7678.jpg

It was the only way I could make sense of the Beast & False prophet already being in Hell when the Devil is cast in there. As a Postmill I assumed that they were cast in prior to the 1000 year reign of Christ (it seems that way in context). This chart seems to alleviate that concern while looking startlingly like world history. Let me know if I'm off the reservation. :D

Blessings,
Mark
October 1, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterMark Priestap

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