Who Said That?

"I like Christian rock . . .  It's very positive.  It's not like those real musicians who think they are so cool and hip."

You know the drill!  Leave your guess in the comments section below.  Please, no google searches or cheating.

Update on Saturday, August 23, 2008 at 10:48AM by Kim Riddlebarger

When Seinfeld's Elaine discovers that her current boyfriend "Puddy" has the presets on his car radio set to Christian rock stations (and is completed dismayed by this discovery), George makes the completely random and off the wall quote cited here. 

Comments

[Todd Hickling]

George Costanza - Seinfeld (lots of good stuff in that series, along with the not so good stuff)

[Matt D]

Bono

[robbro]

wasn't it Putty, Elaine's boyfriend? Not Costanza?

[Tim Challies]

I think Todd is right. It reminds me a bit of this quote from Hank on King of the Hill: "Can’t you see you’re not making Christianity better, you’re just making rock n’ roll worse."

[Coyle]

Al Mohler? :)

[John Yeazel]

I have no idea but maybe it was Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson or someone in the Word/Faith movement like Joel Osteen. Anyways, it is not a very cool and hip thing to say. Cool and hip get a bad rap among conservative rightist Christians. I know cool and hip are probably narcissistic concepts but Bono is certainly cool and hip. I hope the guy who guessed Bono is not serious. I do not see Bono saying anything remotely close to that. Overall, I guess we are talking here about how to be in the world but not of the world. A very difficult thing to do. And we all have very confused concepts of this running around in our heads. We touched on this last week when we were talking about two-kingdom theology. I think understanding this will help us all appreciate the difficulty of actually living this out.

I am not trying to be controversial, I will let Zrim handle that. LOL!!!!!!

I was going to say Michael Horton but he would probably shoot me in the head. Actually, I think Bono probably is our prime example of how to be in the world but not of the world. David Wells books deal with this issue quite persuasively.

[Paul C. Quillman]

George Costanza!!! He said that when he found out that Julia Louise Dryfuss character Elaine said her current boyfriend listened to Christian rock.

[KyleinWI]

It is the summer of George!

[Matt]

Bono's in the world but not of it? Is that why he had a 15 million dollar apartment in NYC, smokes cigarettes, curses, etc?

[Zrim]

It was Seinfeld’s George “Can’t-Stand-Ya!”

But it wasn’t the Summer of George, Kyle. This was the one where George is trying to figure out how to leave meetings in a high note, Kramer and Mickey are hired as actors at Mt. Sinai to fake symptoms to medical students, Jerry gets mistaken by his griflriend for her brother on the phone (and comes into knowledge about her he’d rather not), and Elaine, prompted by Puddy's antinomian posture about stealing her neighbor's newspaper, is trying to figure out why Puddy doesn’t care if she goes to hell in light of his Jesus-freak fad.

John, what is controversial is Todd’s notion that the second best TV show included anything that could be construed as the “not-so-good” stuff.

[John Yeazel]

I was not an avid Seinfield watcher so this weeks quote went right over my head. I do watch Curb Your Enthusiasm and the same philosophy guides the script. They both are basically shows about nothing. Good on the humor side but dangerous philosophies which guide the script writers because it is so attractive and humorous.

Bono maybe more of the world then I think but that was the main point I was making. This gets very confusing and complicated. Bono is also a activist but he avoids any political labels. He never talks theology that openly either. So, I really do not know any theological position he may be coming from. As a musician, is that his place to talk theology or just to work hard at his craft and try to make good music? Like C.S. Lewis did with his novels. The message was not overtly Christian but the view of reality behind the writing was definitely Christian.

If it was from a Seinfield episode I am sure George was being tongue- in- cheek. If Christians themselves are confused about the issue just think what those who are looking at us from the outside think.

OK Zrim, I was trying to bait you into more controversy but you took a very Seinfieldesque route. Perhaps our fearless leader is being a bit mischievous. Come to think of it most of the quotes he comes up with beg controversy.

[KyleinWI]

Yeah I know I was just making a vague reference to George. It is nice that there is someone that know more than I about Sinfeild, not I don't feel so weird. Man I love Seinfield!

[John Yeazel]

Matt,

I was going to ignore your comment but I decided that it was probably best if I responded. It isn't that Bono "smokes cigarettes, lives in a 15 million dollar apartment and curses" that makes him worldly. It is buying into a philosophy or view of reality which makes the main doctrines of Christianity untenable. Worldliness is a way of thinking which comes in many forms in the culture and it often influences the Church and the people in it more than they (and we) are aware of. I did not mean to be harsh in saying what I did and I hope I did not offend you in any way. If I did I apologize.

[jim r]

"Bono's in the world but not of it? Is that why he had a 15 million dollar apartment in NYC, smokes cigarettes, curses, etc?"

Sounds like a 1950's CRC consistory meeting to me. I remember the table our elders met around had ash trays built right into it. I remember some of the language being pretty choice too - hardly recognizable by today's "not of this world" standards. Our pharisee's condemned other actions - dancing, playing cards, etc. I don't remember any 15 million dollar apartments though - at least we had that part right!

[Warren]

Can someone provide a good link to the explanation of the two kingdoms, please?

Thanx

[John Yeazel]

I just noticed that I have been spelling Seinfeld wrong (Seinfied) - I am surprised you didn't "pipe up" about that one Zrim.

[KyleinWI]

This link has all sorts of great links about this From machen to Veith
Warren,

http://www.covopc.org/Two_Kingdoms/Two_Kingdom_Social_Theory.html

Here is a lecture that talks about this also

http://www.monergism.com/directory/search.php?action=search_links_simple&search_kind=and&phrase=2+kingdoms

Race Relations & Luther's Doctrine of the Two Kingdoms
Uwe Siemon-Netto

there is enough stuff to read for the next couple of days maybe weeks. Enjoy.

SDG

[KyleinWI]

Here is one more that is good, from down under
http://www.lca.org.au/resources/csbq/twokingdoms.pdf

[timinator]

George Costanza - Seinfeld

Zrim, did you say the second best tv show? According to who? ER and LAw and Order has more viewers and well go down as the longest running tv shows in history.

[Matt D]

Ok Mr. Yeazel, why would you make such a comment to my one name guess? I guess these blogs are like any other, full of people who think they know what everyone is thinking and why.

Mr. Yeazel, your kind is the reason I will never post here again.

Respectfully
Matt