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A Field Trip to Saddleback

A member of the Oceanside URC (and a student at Westminster Seminary California) made a recent field trip to Warren's Saddleback and describes what he saw (h.t. Scott Clark).  About what I would have expected.  Click here: Saturday Night - Live at Saddleback « Geneva Redux

Yes, Zrim, there is a Newman (that's Seinfeld lingo for those of you who don't know).  Click here: - Michigan Postal Worker Hoarded Thousands of Pieces of Mail Instead of Delivering Them - Local News

I guess one bad law deserves another. Click here: CANOE -- CNEWS - Canada: Polygamists' defense cites gay marriage

Should Christians apologize for beating the stuffing out of their opponent?  This game later cost the coach his job.  Click here: Rivals High - School seeks to forfeit 100-0 win

Reader Comments (26)

Let's just say the 100-0 victors are not getting good press on sports radio around here at least...
January 26, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterPB
A few questions on the basketball game that should make all the difference: for how long was the full court press in place? For how long did the starters stay in? Who scheduled this game?
January 26, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterDSY
"Should Christians apologize for beating the stuffing out of their opponent?"

I'm no fan of law/gospel confusion; a Xian-school teacher friend of mine was struck by a student who was then allowed to dispense his own punishment on himself (which was predictably weak) on the grounds that "we're Christians so forgiveness is more important"; meanwhile a kid in the local PS would've found himself roundly expelled. Secularists often know law/gospel way better.

...but sometimes it might be a case of plain poor judgment.
January 26, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterZrim
Would I be wrong in assuming a fan of The Evil Empire wouldn't have a problem with oppressive dominance of opponents?
January 26, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterThe Lighthearted Calvinist
Lakers fans would not have a problem with that either. Nor Would a Steelers fan for next Sunday’s Supper bowel.

As for Rick Warren,

I must admit that he has fame and popularity surroundings him. Though he doesn't seen to take advantage of it. He is not on TBN (thank God), nor do we here much about him other than his books and interviews for them. Don't get me wrong I think his theology is way off and don't care for his books either. Just saying he could be worrying about making money off of his name and not worrying about his church.

I don't understand why a basketball game got so far out of control. If it is a shut out then there should be rules to stop the game at some point and declare a winner. I think they shouldn’t apologies for playing a good game.
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered Commentertiminator
I have developed the ability to identify a zrim post after reading the first sentence. And I don't mean that as an offense. And not just on this blog either.
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterLori
RE: Polygamy in Canada

I read a news report a few years ago that made the same point that the polygamists are now making: if the traditional definition has been thrown on the trash heap, and gays and lesbians have the right to marry, then why not other configurations, too? The Canadian government that legalized same-sex marriage commissioned a study to figure out who would take advantage of the decision, when they likely would make a move, and how they would make the move. This latest story answers all those questions.

It now seems that it is only a matter of time before polygamy becomes legal. Who and what's next? Pedophiles have been pushing their agenda for some time...
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterRobert Widdowson
This is a question I have had for a long time but have never really gotten an answer I am satisfied with. Law/Gospel confusion is a big problem in the Church. How to discipline properly is also very confusing. There seems to be no clear cut guidelines in the scriptures. I have also heard commentary that Mathew 19 is frequently misinterpreted as a New Testament standard of how to deal with disciplinary concerns in the Church. Can somebody please refer me to some theologian who deals with this issue in an accurately biblical manner?

There are differing opinions on the matter in Lutheran circles. I have even heard some say that Church discipline should not be practiced by some Lutheran theologians because of the many abuses of it in Church History. The Reformed and Lutherans are very divided on this matter. Can someone in Riddleblog land help clarify this issue for me?
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Y
That is Mathew 18 not 19
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Y

I believe that you got your dominant basketball teams mixed up. It is the Celtics, and their great tradition that would never, and still won't apologize for bludgeoning the Lakers. Please note that they have beaten the Lakers in nine out of eleven NBA Finals, and remember the great Red Auerbach and his famed victory cigar!

Your comment on the Cardinals and the Steelers deserves a response. The Cardinals will beat the Steelers on Sunday. If you'll remember a few years ago, Jon Gruden went against his former team in the Super Bowl -- the Silver and Black, and he annihilated them. Former Steeler assistant coach, is now the great young head coach of the Cards.

Ironically, the Cards history is much like that of the 49ers, Steelers and Giants, before they won their first Super Bowls.

The Arizona Republic, estimates the value of the Cards at a whopping 918 million dollars, primarily because of the new stadium. With the great young coach, Ken Whisenhunt, and the money that is generated by the new stadium, the Cards should remain competitive for many years to come.

I know that the Cards in the Super Bowl, can be viewed as almost as much of a miracle as the five loaves and two fish, but we are planning the parade for Tuesday, in down town Phoenix!
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterLloyd
Lloyd - Thank you for setting the record straight regarding Celtics and Lakers, you beat me to it.
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterPB
John Y:

Pls. refer to Luther's catechism and the public use of the keys. The best one is by David P. Kuske, Northwestern Publishing House.

Another great Lutheran source is, "A Summary of Christian Doctrine", by Edward W. A. Koehler.

Also, please look at our WELS website under the Q. & A. section, there is a bunch on this subject matter.
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterLloyd

I completely overlooked the bit about "Newman!" It just helps make my point that there is no real-life situation that show didn't cover (even if this one was a bit too literal). The other day I swear I saw a few empty cans spill out from behind a postal truck that had a golf club stuck in its grill and a NY license plate.


Which part of that sounded like me?
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterZrim

Are you still flapping your jaws about the Celtics? It seems to me a few chinks in their armor are being revealed. This should be one of the more interesting runs to the NBA title this year.

I'm liking what I see with the Hornets also. LeBron too is a force no one can stop these days. At 6'8" he plays like a guard and and power forward combined. The only ones as quick as him in the league are Alan Iverson and Derek Rose. He is a physical freak.

I'm still picking the Steelers over the Cardinals in a hard fought battle.
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Yeazel
Appreciate the info Lloyd
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Yeazel
John Y:

There are 677 questions on the WELS website on church discipline.

That'll keep you busy this afternoon!!!
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterLloyd

The Celt's have the same record as last season. That is not resting on one's laurels.

Also, the Lakers have not played very many road games yet. That will soon change.
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterLloyd
Since there's a Seinfield-related post here, I add to my comment about The Evil Empire; "Not that there's anything WRONG with that..."
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterThe Lighthearted Calvinist
Alright, Lloyd gave me the Lutheran perspective on discipline in the Church. Can any of you Reformed types give me something good to read on the issue from your perspective?

Also, is ex-communication and ban from the Lord's Supper the only punishment the Church can use? Who determines if repentance has been sincere in order to restore the person to fellowship?

I have tons of other questions about this and hopefully I can sort them out.
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterJohn Yeazel
Lloyd & John -

"...Another great Lutheran source is, "A Summary of Christian Doctrine", by Edward W. A. Koehler...."

FWIW, somewhere along the line I managed to lose track of my copy of Koehler and finally broke down and ordered a new one. The newest one, the third edition, is even better because all of the Scripture references are in NKJV. This is an excellent work and every Lutheran should own a copy as a minimum for her/her library.
January 27, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge

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