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Living in Light of Two Ages

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Thursday
Jun102010

Mike Horton at the Saddleback Conversation Gathering

Mike Horton was a panelist at tonight's Saddleback Conversation Gathering.  Mike's the third from the left.  White Horse Inn producer Shane Rosenthal took the picture above and admits to getting a hug from Rick Warren himself, who, according to Shane, calls himself a "purpose-driven" hugger.

Thursday
Jun102010

I'm on "Issues, Etc." Today

I'll be on with Todd today @ 2:15 PT, talking about Ezekiel 38-39, and the dispensational notion of a pending Russian (and Pan-Arab) invasion of Israel.

If you are interested . . .

Wednesday
Jun092010

Isaiah 65, Death and Old Age -- Redux

Mike C. recently asked (June 5, 2010):

"Dr. Riddlebarger,

In Isaiah chapter 65 the prophet is teaching about the New Heavens and the New Earth. I always understood this to mean the Kingdom of Christ after his return in judgement. However, in verse 20 of this chapter we read "he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth, he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed." This seems to indicate that physical death will take place during this time. Please explain.  Thanks, Mike C."

Mike, this is a question I am asked regularly.  Since I posted a reply back in June of 2006, it might be useful to repost it now:

My answer:

According to dispensationalists, Isaiah is referring to the millennial age on earth during the 1000 year reign of Christ after his return to earth (cf. J. Dwight Pentecost, Things to Come, 487-490). For reasons we will soon explore this cannot be the case.

According to postmillennarians, this passage this passage refers to the latter day glory of the church on the earth. John Jefferson Davis writes, "the blessings of the church’s latter-day glory spoken of in Isaiah 11:6-9 are reiterated and expanded in Isaiah 65:17-25. The intensified period of spiritual blessing produces conditions in the world that are termed `new heavens and a new earth.’ (V. 17). This refers to the dramatic moral renovation of society rather than to the eternal state, since Isaiah speaks of a time when children are still being born (v. 20), when people are still building houses and planting vineyards (v. 21) and engaging in their earthly labors (v. 22). Paul uses similar language when he says that salvation in Christ is like a `new creation’ (2 Cor. 5:17), or again in Gal. 6:15, `for neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.’ The conditions of health and temporal peace of which Isaiah speaks in 65:17-25 are not the essence of the gospel, but they are properly the consequences of the gospel when its impact is intensive and extensive in the world. The message of reconciliation with God also produces as its fruit reconciliation between man and man and even with the natural order itself. It should also be noted that 65:17-25 makes no reference to the Messiah’s physical presence on earth. In the latter days, God desires to create in Jerusalem (the church) a rejoicing (v. 18). But the realities of verses 18-25 refer neither exclusively to the eternal state nor to the time following the second advent, but rather to the messianic age when Christ still rules at the right hand of the Father in heaven." (Cf. John Jefferson Davis, The Victory of Christ’s Kingdom: An Introduction to Postmillennialism [Canon Press], 37-38).

For four important reasons, I think both the premil and postmil interpretations stumble badly.

First, as Motyer points out, in terms of its literay structureIsaiah 65:1-66:24 is a chiasm. This simply means that the logic of the passage flows from the opening verse (Isaiah 65:1–A1) and the final verses (66:18-21-A2)–both of which deal with those who have not heard nor sought the Lord–toward the middle of the chiasm, i.e. A1 (65:1), B1 (vv. 2-7), C1 (vv. 8-10), D1 (vv.11-12) E (vv. 13-25), D2 (66:1-4), C2 (66:5-14), B2 (66:15-17), A2 (18-21). In this case, Isaiah 65:13-25-E is the middle of the chiasm, and is therefore the central theme of the entire prophecy and speaks of the joy of the Lord’s servants in the new creation. This means that the central truth (or high point) of this entire prophecy is found in the middle of the chiasm, not the end (vv. 66:22-24), which speaks of Jerusalem as the center of the world. (See J. Alec Motyer, The Prophecy of Isaiah: An Introduction & Commentary [IVP], 522-523).

The point is this. The key part of the whole passage is the section in question (vv. 17-25) which deals with the new creation with its Zion. Steps A1-D1 and A2-D2 must be fulfilled before the hoped-for reality (E) comes to pass. Given the structure of the prophecy as a whole, the climax of the passage is the eternal state (the new heavens and earth), not a half-way redeemed earth in which people experience life-extension, only to die later on.

Second, verses 17-20 of Isaiah 65 are composed of two poems. One is a poem of the new creation (vv. 17-18b), the other is a poem of the city and its people (vv. 18c-20). As Motyer points out, "throughout this passage Isaiah uses aspects of present life to create impressions of the life that is yet to come. It will be a life totally provided for (13), totally happy (19cd), totally secure (22-23) and totally at peace (24-25). Things we have no real capacity to understand can be expressed only through things we know and experience. So it is that in the present order of things death cuts off life before it has begun or before it has fully matured. But it will not be so then" (Motyer, The Prophecy of Isaiah, 530). In other words, metaphors are used of things neither we nor Isaiah can fully understand. The poetic structure surely points in this direction.

Third, as Meredith Kline points out, the language here reflects covenantal blessings now magnified in light of new heavens and earth. These blessings take us well beyond the natural order, but can only be understood in light of the natural order (Kline, Kingdom Prologue,152-153).

Fourth, is Isaiah telling us that as a result of the spread of the gospel ("moral renovation" in Jefferson’s terms), people will live longer, only to die? Where does the gospel promise long life? It promises eternal life! In fact, isn’t the whole point of prophecy clearly stated in verse 17. "I will create new heavens and a new earth?" This is a time subsequent to Revelation 20:1-10, which describes the binding of Satan and the reign of the saints in heaven after suffering upon the earth, only to end in a great apostasy before the final judgment. Both pre and post millennarians must assign this prophecy to the same period of time as Revelation 20. But given the chiastic structure and use of metaphor, isn’t it far better to see Isaiah 65:17-25 as describing the same time frame as Revelation 21, which is clearly describing the eternal state? I certainly think so.

Wednesday
Jun092010

1000 Broadcasts?  Really??

Not only has the White Horse Inn been on the air for twenty years, but the June 7 broadcast was our 1000th program!

That is really hard to believe . . .  But then there has been a lot to talk about over the years!

The White Horse Inn blog has the scoop, as well as a link to an MP3 of our very first broadcast (which aired in September of 1990).  Click here

If you enjoy the White Horse Inn, you'll get a real kick out of that first broadcast.

Tuesday
Jun082010

Five Books to Read This Summer

Several folks have asked me, "what should I read this summer?"  "Can you suggest a few books?"

Yes, I can.

Start with Mike Horton's People and Place (Westminster/Knox):  Click here.   This is a brilliant book.

Next up is David VanDrunen's Natural Law and the Two Kingdoms (Eerdmans)Click here.  Given all the hubbub about the two kingdoms and natural law of late, isn't it time to find out what the Reformed have actually said about the matter?  A very important book. 

Third, is Scott Clark's Recovering the Reformed Confession (P & R):  Click here.  This is a provocative book which forces the reader to deal with the Reformed tradition as confessed and practiced in the Reformed and Presbyterian churches!  I don't always agree with Scott on some of the fine points, but his treatment of the quest for illegitimate religious certainty and illegitimate religious experience are must reading.

Next is John Muether's, Cornelius Van Til:  Reformed Apologist and Churchman (P & R).  Click here.  A very helpful treatment of an often misunderstood figure.  A good read too.

The last one may come as a surprise.  I enjoyed it and found it useful.  Given the current political climate, you too might find it helpful.  Jay W. Richard's Money, Greed, and God (HarperOne):  Click here.  A robust defense of capitalism which offers a short but solid critique of Ayn Rand's "greed is good" creed.

Sunday
Jun062010

"The Image and Glory of God" -- 1 Corinthians 11:1-16

Here's the audio from this morning's sermon:

Click here
Sunday
Jun062010

This Week's White Horse Inn

Religion on Trial

How is a person to know whether or not Christianity is the true religion? Aren't all religious claims subjective attempts to grasp the ungraspable? Isn't it all just a matter of personal faith anyway? And if so, why choose one faith over the other? On this edition of White Horse Inn, the hosts inquire into these questions and more with special guest Craig Parton author of Religion on Trial and The Defense Never Rests: A Lawyer's Quest for the Gospel.

http://www.whitehorseinn.org/ 



Saturday
Jun052010

Who Said That?

“They ask me all the time, ‘What is your favorite this?  What is your favorite that?  What is your favorite that?’  And one time, ‘What is your favorite word?’  And I said, ‘My favorite word?  That is really easy.  My favorite word is the Word, is the Word.  And that is everything.  It says it all for us.  And you know the biblical reference, you know the Gospel reference of the Word.”

Leave your guess in the comments section below.  Please, no google searches or cheating.  Answer to follow next week.

Friday
Jun042010

I'm Flattered That My Vote Matters So Much

I feel special.  In the last few days, I've gotten "personal" calls from . . .

Mitt Romney

Newt Gingrich

Dick Cheney

Former California governor Pete Wilson

Meg Witman from Ebay (running for governor)

Congressman Tom McClintock

The Howard Jarvis Taxpayer's association

Three former state assemblymen

Two local mayors

Three former police chiefs

As well as some "concerned" woman's group

I am so very flattered that these important people would take time out of their busy schedules to call me because they care about me so much and want me to know that my vote counts. 

If they saw my completed ballot and realized that any political candidate who interrupts my day with a robo-call is far less likely to get my vote, I wonder if they'd call back during the next election cycle . . .

Thursday
Jun032010

Interview on Rightly Divided with Lane Chaplin

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Here's an interview I did today with Lane Chaplin on Romans 7 and the assurance of salvation.

Here's the link to the full screen version on YouTube (Click here)